This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3,874 for Thursday the 8th of June, 2023.
Today's show is entitled, 2022, 2023 new years show Episode 9.
It is part of the series HP or New Year's show.
It is hosted by HP or volunteers and is about 123 minutes long.
It carries an explicit flag.
The summary is 2022, 2023 new years show where people come together and chat.
I had a Pentium 1 machine that I built to run, I initially wrote it, built it up to be a MSD sort
of server because with $3, you can do some basic Ethernet networking now because of energy
concerns, I'm going to do setting that machine aside and eventually I will probably replace
that with emulation under Linux or on a Raspberry Pi or something.
Back then, I mean a lot of stuff was like, I remember working on like token ring networks
and a lot of the stuff was like just coax networking.
Yeah, some of it was a regular coax and some of it was a fake fact coax that was a real
bear to connect to.
I mean, some of it was B and C connect to who could maybe slightly harder use than your
cable to E.V. cable, and it had one that was also, it was almost like a garden house.
And then then they had tap units that would pierce through the shielding and pick up signals
from the signal conductor in the middle of the cable and it would be connected to your computer
through a, well, there was a vampire bit that, that punch through your cable and then that
would be a ribbon cable that would go back to your interface card.
Right, and all the network cards wanted to be a novel compatible and not for novels no longer
around.
Well, what's interesting is that there is, they're resurrecting a lot of the old network.
There are networks which are designed either for hardware or emulated access for things
like IBM's bitnet, which if you were doing token rings stuff, you probably were aware
of, and there's a decknet out there on the internet as well, but now the original networking
protocols, both for digital equipment cooperation and for the original OSI model, had very,
very few networks in them.
So actually getting a large population of computers to talk to each other was a good trick
with a lot of magic hand waving going on in the background.
How do you remember, the recomb was a big name way back in the day?
Yeah, three comp was like real tech or what have you or damn I can picture it, but my brain
is very like TP link is today, you know.
Right, right.
Yeah.
To put a notch down, a lot of it was more, thank you, TP link selling stuff at Cisco
prices.
Exactly.
Also one of the most interesting things is that IBM internal network was not built by the IBM
suits, it was built by systems people so that they could get software updates and email
and documentation and stuff between IBM systems, IBM IBM system.
And it was all pretty bootleg because the primary IBM had what they called VM, which was
one of it had two features, each VM user would have an environment including what they
called a mini disk, which was a what we would call a partition and he would have something
that behave much like a single user computer that is terminal talk to and it transmitted
data and it stored data and it did everything like that and it ran applications submitted
like jobs whatever and as far as the user was concerned, it was his little slice of
heaven.
Right.
Also, it originally started out as a something that could be run on the first virtual
memory, IBM 360 machine, the IBM 360, 360, but eventually when it went to
370 mode, this environment was translated so that it couldn't run on a bare 360 or
370, it had to be run under a bare metal hypervisor that they called VM and one of the
things about VM, which IBM hated because it wasn't a batch operating system, it wasn't
their monster and that's monster money maker that would do punch cards and mag tape and
a lot of stuff like that, this one was very interactive because of its eventually
use multiple users or sessions that behave like everybody got their computer, got their
own slice of the computer instead of having a bunch of cards punched and then having
to hand them off somebody to eventually load in the mainframe and then you have to wait
for your answers or your problem, but because IBM really was pushing this batch
operating system, which started out as a multi, it was a multi-tasking operating system
with first a fixed number of times, variable number of times and it was a monster just
like the original 360 operating system, OS 360, which was cobbled together and just over
time developed more crop than more crop than more crop, and in fact one of the uses
of this VM system, the IBM press, the IBM press were used to having all their machines
like the prior to 360 generation, everything would be on punch cards, paper tape or if you
were a good boy, it may be actually on mylar mag tape, this was not a big deal early
on in the development of things, but as Fred Brooks, God rest his soul said, IBM started
falling behind and then they started throwing more programmers at OS 360 and these MVS
stuff, and the MVS would go to their flagship and so many memory weeks in it, they would
run on VM because VM could take a large address space, and their favorite operating system
running under VM ran more efficiently than as a VM, MVS or whatever it was, was running
on the bare metal, and this operating system was interactive and it was much loved
by computer science departments and stuff like that, but the IBM suits hated it because
it meant users to sit down on their terminals and do typical, you know, go through databases
or whatnot without having to wait for a stack of print print heads print out, six inches
high or a stack of cards or whatever, and those were the crazy days when everything was
printed on like on why carriage green bar paper, right, but the interesting thing is that
they're powerful, pulsing, all-dancing, operating system, which sucked it interactive functions
could not be used as the routing nodes for their own internal network, VM was much lighter
weight could be used as a routing node, and every so often they knew a new class of IBM
brass would come in and say we got to get rid of this VM stop in our own network, we have
to move everything to MVS or whatever, they're big, bloated, operating system, and they
would launch a project and they would find out that their MVS very inefficient for this
application couldn't do what the rather streamlined VM system could do, and the project
would require it to help until the next crop of I'm going to fix everything management
okay, wow, it was just, it was insane, also this internal IBM network, which they
called because it's there or because it's time that we're getting it, was larger than the
internet until relatively late in its life, and also in the 90s a lot of official regulations
require using the heavily theoretical OSI protocol X-25 and X-29 and a whole bunch of other
things, which didn't have a larger dress space and weren't very efficient and assumed
that you would get your network from the phone company for your nation and a whole bunch
of other things that were quite gripling, a lot of the people who know what they were doing
would want to use the American TCP-IP stack, but their bureaucratic structure wouldn't allow
them to do that, so what they would end up doing is they would use TCP-IP but they would
bury it in whatever protocols was the official government protocol okay, this wasn't
very efficient and because of the billing structure which made your cellphone data plan look
generous, it was quite inefficient, but when the government says you're going to run your data
through only this type of pipe, you run your data through that type of pipe and you encapsulate
the what the protocols you actually want, because the OSI did not like using American standards
coming out of America because they were coming from our military and they didn't want to
surrender their power to it, also the OSI which did do some interesting stuff that made
certain that telephone could talk to each other and you know stuff like that and you could
plug in stuff at different places, you know, cables were standardized and whatnot, but they were
heavily bureaucratic organization and a lot of conferences and whatnot were held about this
theoretical networking how to get the 7-layer OSI model implemented and a lot of people would
apply to a lot of interesting destinations and interesting times of the year on the government
time or your company's time or whatever you know somebody would be paying for it and they would
have issues proposed theoretical implementations and explanations of the OSI protocol, the one thing
that they wouldn't have would be actually anybody really implementing the protocol, they were always
in permanent beta 10, now the TCP IP and whatnot were far more efficient because somebody had actually
hooked ridden the standards, passed them around, had the criticize, and then the OSI had to talk
to each other so they actually worked, but because of the politics you had the politicians and
the OSI using a lot of money and a lot of paper while the people in America were and using
American standards were actually building the internet as we know it, I don't know if I'm
if you're finding this interesting or not, maybe I'll put you to sleep. Oh no, definitely definitely
well I have got this out of the book because the people in Geneva needed somebody to translate
their hack together documentation into a form that they could actually have printed, pdf form
so they hired a guy who went through with a bunch of pearl and whatnot and actually was able
to produce documents that somebody could actually use and he was also supposed to have a report on the
state of international networking at the time and this guy coming from America or he'd written a
bunch of networking books especially on things like tutor equipment, decknet and whatnot,
maybe no value of and he knew what he was doing but he would the help of some micro systems they put
up a server out in Colorado with all this stuff on it and had an FTP server on it so that
anyone in the world could download these international standards which in paper form
or an arm or leg up to the need because they were a flush front or the OSI of brass and the
OSI people yes if you want if you want our standards you buy our books all you know five tons of
number whatever they were and they were or printed in large quantities and sold in small quantities
because of the incredible markup and the bureaucrats said well if you don't if we don't price
them like this we're not going to get the money to do other international projects of course
if the other international project would be funded through you and grants or what have you
they wouldn't be funded by folks that attended to end up in the OSI sellers being replaced by a
new stack of folks printed this year sort of sort of like the phone book things like
gilded and some very cozy arrangements were made between the printers and the government
bureaucrats but the writer of this book actually went around the world a couple of times
and interviewed various people who were putting the national and international networks together
this was like 1991 and at the time the connections were rare enough that the people could
actually tell how let's say Japan was hooked through Hawaii or hooked through cables
headed elsewhere and because of the usage restrictions at the time because a lot of this
would come and funded or research only or what a military only whatever you wanted a lot of
these connections were this traffic could go through this route and this traffic could go through
that route and there were people who were doing like out in Hawaii they did the first
say kind of networking that it looked like wifi but was done to broadcast networking signals
all over the Hawaiian Islands and there was a whole bunch of stuff going on and the European
union was trying to get its network to wire together and countries like the eastern block
would connect to the global network to basically phone patches also it's a crazy stuff going on
you know one thing that I've always found interesting is you know I guess I don't
follow this stuff like some of this stuff very closely but say for instance like GPS GPS was like
basically a military thing for a long time but then all of a sudden it gets like
opened up for civilian use you know just like like DARPA you know it was like you know basically
the beginnings of the internet and then all of a sudden you know it was it was opened up for
civilian use but you know I like to know exactly you know how that process you know actually
goes because you know it's like you know it's like first something is like used by the military
is sort of like secret and then all of a sudden they're like anybody could use it I think that's
really interesting well part of what was happening was DARPA was having all the universities
are a lot of universities and contractors would go to DARPA with their projects and they would
be asking for a big computer and the universities for researchers would would want their own
big chunk of computing power and yeah there were military uses for it but in the early days
well while it was still a ARPA project where the D was pretty silent they were debugging this thing
and yes because a lot of a lot of the initial funding was to unify the defense
research basically the networking was to give a backbone to the military industrial
complex yes there would be a command and control element but early days a lot of it a lot of the
networks traffic was to connect research institutions and to try to harness together
everything that was being done scattered across the country it was only later and in its life
did the ARPA net actually get into military use because they first had to figure out how to make
it work and how to hook computers to each other and how to rock stuff and all of that but a lot
of the military the so-called military uses for the ARPA net early on because it was a very limited
network it was made up of 56 K-boards synchronous lines in the early days in 56 K-boards
sounds familiar it's what your fast-dialest modems were selling right as they're good speak
they never really achieved it but on a synchronous line when nobody else is doing anything
anywhere it's cut where it's not just residential quality phone lines or hopefully it's better
than residential quality because it's you know commercial grade they could actually do
it but the deal is that by I mean they were they were telling the truth that putting together
a network of circuits switching where the link goes down your network routes around it automatically
and all of that good stuff was great stuff for the potential nuclear war but a lot of it early on
was how do we connect it how do we connect this machine to that machine and the interesting
thing is let me kill that noise see now you're making me want to look up some of these like
RFCs for like a tell net and a FTP. The whole thing with the original RFCs were people working on
the project and whatnot were handing around and in the early days since there wasn't really a
network it was a lot of mailing paper back and forth but the way the original network was made up
and a small firm called both back and Newman in Cambridge got the deal they the computers
the big computers which the network was made to serve were not cooked up the network they were
hooked up to many computers which behaved as basically as routers and those machines talked
among themselves over the primitive networking protocols this is a long time before TCP IP
but they talked a standard language between each other and every computer all you had to do for
your whether it was you know an IBM or or a digital machine or spary or whoever is you had an
interface that they talked to these many computers and you sent data into the many computer and you
said all right I wanted to go to node whatever and the network would would handle all the
packet handling and the and they they did all this networking stuff was done so that they would
come out with with a standardized design for an interface card for each machine and interface software
and whatnot and the basic data handling and whatnot was was handled by interfaces to these
to the many computers and the many talked among themselves and could do things like reload each other
from paper tape they could send diagnostic information a lot of the early networks traffic
was the network talking to itself telling everybody who's who's alive who's dead and who's sick
and that's interesting because I'm I'm used like punch cards before and same punch cards before
but I've never used or seen an actual paper tape well I had started out using paper tape
what they had at my high school was a couple of teletype and these were mechanical keyboards
printers with a punch for an inch wide tape which I believe it had eight dots across because
it was an eight bit coat now on the teletype so we use they only used like you had six dots
and one channel was used for parity so you could try to see if if the signal if the character
that you were transmitting has gotten corrupted along the way great but the actual machine
were uppercase only at least in your basic teletype model 33 later on they had the teletype
models 37 which use seven bits out of the eight possible so you had upper lowercase but
on the initial machines they're all lowercase all uppercase pardoning now in Unix a lot of
that cryptic things why CP and Unix is so short and LS and all of the other alphabet too
is that on a teletype it didn't have an ordinary electric typewriter type keyboard it had a very
mechanical very heavy keypress keyboard and using those horrendous keyboards you didn't want to
type anymore than you had to so you kept everything short kept everything to a minimum as well as
on the early 50 to 11 you may have only had 32 megs or kilobut you may have had only so many
kilobytes of course but what I in my high school we had a when I think it was a when computer
or we had a certain chunk of a when computer that was hooked up over the telephone at 110
but which was 10 characters per second and whenever you were typing something it was a
such a such a such a such a such a such a such a such an actual pressing key and when you were running
paper tape to the machine because paper tape with your stories and that kind of yeah it was
a way of sending back to the computer your program in digital form when you had a good
listing or you would set a factory you would have a punch out on paper tape in fact
the first separate routine library where actually library of snippets of paper tape
covering different problems for different computers and everybody's programmers got together
and created the snippets of tape and when they were doing programming you'd have some new stuff
but you'd also pull out of the bag uh individual snippets of tape to do things like
maybe calculating a square root or whatever kind of function you were going to do
but by having them on paper tape they could do what were essentially cutting paste operations
to put your program together then paper tape still or don't paper tape it just seems like it
would just be so flimsy well actually the tape was fairly sturdy and it was a fairly standard
software medium uh even on many computers and whatnot in fact there's the only difference between
some of the absolute bare bones sort of hobby or you know is that when when you got to a certain
level of paper you didn't use the teletype paper tape reader and writer you used a separate
device that could read the right printed tape much faster and a lot of that stuff you see
in a ticker tape parade and the use output of these kind of mechanical uh recording or recording
punch machines they would punch stuff on on paper and every time they would do that they would also
punch the the set seven bits plus parity in a row holes on your paper tape now once things got
sophisticated they would hold same you would take your paper tape over to a special reader in the
front of the uh air computer a refrigerator high stack of different modules with different cards
and but the way you started the tape is you put it in the reader with a little bit of naked
cereal ahead of you but but the whole thing is you put it there and then you would uh you
would you know start to tape reading and the tape would go through it's reader and the keys would
puter spawn and the printer would probably print out what it was seeing uh and that's that's
the name of that tune and the teletype attached for for flow application if you had to build an
output build something like an operating system for this particular configuration you could use paper
tape too but it would be a likely a number of different passes to get everything into the
into the computer's memories a nice feature of the memory of the time on most virtually all
computers it was magnetic it may have been a bit you could get those bits in there but while they were
there you know if you turned the power off it didn't all go away or go to complete crap
now that was awesome also if you shut down a core memory computer you could stop it's hard
to sort of speak and then with the right clip of the front panel switch you could get it running
again and all of the stuff would basically be where you left it so it would you start up from the
same clock so how long could you like leave it off and still have the um lip program
theoretically uh years okay because it was stored in there would be a matrix that look like a window
screen hey what happened what did you think happened oh I'll sudden everything is quiet maybe
you dropped off the channel and how long was I off channel maybe about like 10 seconds maybe
I know what happened micro sleep well is it time for bayet actually I probably truthfully
but if you can probably look up most of these stuff if you want yeah I think I will I think I'll
look up uh some of those tape readers because I don't think I can remember even uh sing one but
I think I will also the interesting thing about core memory is the cores were they had x wires
y wires and then there would be a third wire which would be a sense wire and core memory when
red they would put appropriate voltage to the x and y wires and if they got a pulse that would be a
one or kind of they didn't get a pulse that would be a zero because when the two voltages
interacted they would flip the magnetic polarity of the magnetic core however because reading
would instructive process they would have to read the information out and then immediately
write it back to the memory so it was almost like the refresh process of dynamic memory
okay now also the interesting thing about these cores is a lot of the the early on
there were hand threaded in the far east because you could get
ladies and Japan or China or what have you thread these cores by hand IBM later on
develop machines to thread a whole bunch of cores and to test the cores and to do a lot of stuff
but also every generation of core memory ended up making the little doughnuts smaller
so the first generation was a certain size and then the next generation
would not quite fit in the center of the doughnut until they got down to quite small size
but anyway this stuff I have read enough but I could recite this sort of stuff
as I have for hours and I thank you for your paper hey no problem it's really interesting
hey like I say I'm going to have to look up and see if I can get some good images of these
paper tape readers and writers well one of the things when you when you got your
microphone basic back in the day it did not come on a floppy disk it did not come on a cassette
tape or anything your microsoft basic would come with the early micros the TPM or micros
or the pre-CPM micros because a lot of stuff would have the tape reader to load the salt
where the commercial saltware and audio cassettes used to record the actual data
but all of your software would come as paper tape and in fact a lot of the early
microsoft shipping would they would have copies of of the basic punched out on paper tape
and somebody would sit there and fold it into a fan fold style and then they'd put that in an
envelope and they'd ship it off to wow that's amazing and then when you got it to your home
computer you could run it through a tape reader which was a roll like a little electric eyes
and a light would be trying through and each roll of dots would be turned into one bite
it was the chair computer the monitor in your computer could could read and that's
uh and that's how you would load your software before there was floppings and even after
there was floppy in a lot of cases the paper tape because it was plain asking would be far more
compatible because every person who made the disk interfaces and the disk drives and everything
would have their own idea of what the format could be right right here so being able to
load the stuff into memory and then have your operating system right it out to your particular
format meant that even if we had different disk formats for the probe for a lot of the small
programs you got to remember back in the day sometimes the machine would only have for a
kilobytes of memory running having a tape punch on your teletype console was the easiest way
for you to send me a program and know that it was going to be reasonably compatible anyway
thank you for your patience and if you apply with a packet in that's that's fine
well that's amazing all right i think it's bedtime for me so maybe i'll leave the channel
often and see if anybody else drops in well that's right now that's my mission
i'm going to be here with my headphones on and since i'm not going to be talking i can
read or at or even listen to youtube and then if i hear something i can come out here and
do the great thing so i'm going to be mining the store this reminds me of the good old days
when i was doing security work and i would be sitting at a desk in a little sort of
look like an oversized towbook and because you've been up a lot of hours especially when we're
losing the contract and you're working six to four hours a week you would you would be caught
by micro fleet like that and maybe and some people didn't fight sleep and talked about it
and they would just go to sleep and of course if you fell asleep because you were in a warm
little capsule and you would work a long shift you couldn't be let go because you were not
a work but let it was a constant struggle to stay away well stay conscious for a week
might have been over over a billion years old anyways thank you for your work for letting me
travel on hey no problem all right i'm going to hit the set take it easy okay just don't hit it too hard
i want to get hurt anyway if i think i'll stay out here and see if somebody drops fly
where we're in with the farmer it's called the short rows it's if we're going to wrap this up
the 7 o'clock the 8 o'clock in the morning i'll just have another glass of coke and motor off
okay take care thank you your ship you've been very very patient and very helpful
our jeez my laptop's not weird the guy right now when it's in a house he's moved into
the van crash or whatever what if these guys is a rubbish job and left the bag out on the side
walk or payment i say up here but it's like I mean well it's especially put everything into the van
and then come back and get the other stuff but some some some companies got to help him move
stuff out and i'm going to have to probably just take my SSD space out something i don't know
they they got like there's a company called Cleaver in China somewhere and they take they buy in
i think some of these companies buy in the Cleaver laptops and then rebrand them and stuff
a bit so like my junior computer laptop is really a Cleaver laptop or it was
but then get in these parts and come to the problem right break the time's out and the
Cleaver only sell to small it's a business as well like that sounds like smell maybe that
one that actually collapsed now for real maybe i don't see it maybe he has oh no he has some
he's still here it's a polky pop in here once in a while i'm like a woman as well i guess lovecraft
he's just hanging out up with a lot who's lovecraft i've seen him around here it's part of
the legs of the cast i guess he's a friend of the cast i don't know him i believe more than two
knows him some ways it's like Christmas is a whole band in your game because it basically means
that things are back to normal the shop trope and at normal time the restaurants and things as
well maybe traffically back to normal people are worse well yeah well yeah in a way it's
up i do have a school nearby all two school devices so there was a school one that like
free 30 in the afternoon or free a popsicle thing and in the morning as well but that's not too bad
around here actually but the fact that she's saying that why live as well they're going to build a
down the road they're going to build a massive arena for use for battle for music because there's
no use for your their port down there and their port's been closed on their port radius but the
big company that works on their planes one of them airbus is still down there and with their
office or some of their stuff is but on the actual runway they started to build low houses
already and stuff and there's a little thing but but the big thing is it's going to be an arena
down there where big bands can come and where bands can come and play music and stuff and then
it's going to be a signal for me I think next year it's where the airplanes were stored before
the hangos or whatever and then they're changing that into the arena or refurbished it and
yeah and it's near the city actual city as well and where I am but but what it means is that
it's going to get very busy around here in the future probably at times when the roads
can't really be extended either it's going to be a train station put down there so I don't know
quite I say that this road is busy today as it is like like mail for example but it's going
to get even more busy at times once that arena comes it's sad in a way actually how the
world is sort of how it's been built well I developed countries and stuff it's like you want to
go somewhere well okay but you left a go travel on the road somewhere a bit of a car or bus or
or when the train is sometimes we have to travel these distances because of how it's all set out
as well or a lot of things are set out and you have to basically travel because I've got
it or not at times just how it is then we'll hear me say that yeah and they could do with making
the buses better here well no buses well people don't have any about the buses around here
but they're not they're not two don't want to waste really they're not too bad really I
find but they might not only keep that one time the things and then they were going to talk
it there was looking about making a possibility of underground train a metro but the chat
but it's been cost 4 billion pounds or more and they're not going to happen probably but
we're being a nice idea because I'll let's say you have them like London and Brussels and
and New York yeah but we don't hear their trans way back that's gone yeah you could do it
with improving public transport and that's not just England that's probably pretty much any
country really be that trains buses yeah public transport is it then you can where you are public
transport can you get on the bus and get around these wheels it just like no no drive
it was just drive there was a bus that was buying because load easier to drive yeah
they're white you're just a load easier to drive where you are yeah not not trying to get a bus or
something I don't even think there's a bus stop baby we have such a small town
but soon do you say it was in Chicago or nearby hour an hour what time do you say what you
coming up to 7 am yeah 6.50 so it's 7 yeah 6 hours behind them five or six depending on
the time zone in the day when you I'm GMT or UTC so there was there right here
well what what so what what that was the other thing I said is to net my wedding and weather
but even as humans we messed that up the idea that the day is 24 hours yeah
because you got day like saving times and they have removed forwards as well that's why the
new issue was 26 hours see 40 hours ahead of GMT 12 hours behind
even 24 hours a day we messed up shall I get it we have 24 hours no 26 hours and I
actually for the whole world but it's a fantastic test in that mine and I you live still
maybe you want to get something did they oh yeah well I've just been
breaking letting my ice water steep so some of the ice melts and then I'll break a little more
letting me water that I've already drank rebalanced by this one and then we'll see you all
for another 60 now it's not like it's already that I must collect the collapsing shall we
for 32 hours plus 60 now as imagine that I can't that it has such a long time in there
we wake yeah well back around the turn of the century I was doing this stuff all the time when I was
even getting paid now not much was getting paid but to be awake for a long time yeah yeah I was
a security guard at a better condo complex near here as far as traffic I live in the
Boston area and well Boston drivers are known it hasn't been proven that someone
didn't get their driver's license out of a trucker jack box that's funny that's what
wife says when I was over at MIT at the moderate road in one of the temporary buildings
that was left over from over to a little bit before at the turn of the century when they
tore it down somebody was saying that his wife our buddy's wife is getting their driver's
license right I guess everybody could get a driver's license product preferably in M1
Aver. Well that Boston drivers would not break it is that we say that's British understatement
as best yeah boy saying that West Liberty really really bad yeah well you have a real problem here
for one thing according to videos I've seen they used to have special parking areas in one
whatnot where they would educate young drivers about the rules of the road and they would learn
to signal and all sorts of stuff but in modern times the young drivers are grown into manic
traffic right out of the gate so they'd never really ever chance to settle into into knowing
how to do it right they're just doing the best they can in a very manic situation with a lot
of people honking their horns and whatnot yeah that's not where you get nice and a lot of
and a lot of older drivers push your younger driver to do something stupid which is why
it cost something I don't know five thousand dollars a year for insurance for an inexperienced
driver you pay very very very straight
and you really don't just put people out on the road and the main road that you have to
have to do the whole theory test past that and also the how the perception test past that
plus you have to pass the practical test and then and then and also then you can
drive with someone who's drove long enough over time long or something but as you
have your learning but also with a motorway you're not all the highway you'd say over there you
definitely don't go on the motorway or the highway until you pass the normal test do not that's
you're not allowed on there you can't do driving lessons on the motorway not all not the normal
maybe later on you can actually get some special motorway lessons that you pass the normal
test but they don't but their drivers will not go on the motorway or the highway and the
insurance is going to be really it's going to be quite expensive usually for new drivers as well
and they had a company that gave the women or cheap insurance same that women and I
think they got on some trouble for that like can you can't just do that because men
so I deal with that women would crash less or have the ever and men would crash more
that we lost option now as well I'm still here I'm gonna go get a little coffee
a little coffee and that money they just found or I hope some people are thinking about how
a car is off in the UK as well yeah I don't know if it's different for women
for the insurance or not and then when that was a there was an address it was a
company called she and she used to have TV address and it was like yeah she is with who
and aimed at aimed at young women in particular probably learn the drivers and like how
you're female okay well in that case you can get current insurance for low cheaper than the
men like come with us come to our shearers wheels but then they got into some
flack about that like that's you can't that's against you know allowed to try to do that
come on and but it was a bit like there was a chocolate we're not the same thing really
but there was a chocolate barclore york here as well over here and for ages there was a sign
on it and it basically had a one of the women that was crushed out and it was
sanitizers yorky like man's best chocolate male meant very manly chocolate or something like that
and again they got then some trouble later on when you got people going hey you can't do that
that's you know so they had to block that as well because people are people I think is a
general idea because I was a gender what's supposed to be like that but um in reality there are a
few differences but really yeah really people are people shouldn't be so much
about gender someone is or not oh they both can be a pretty aggressive at times
especially when it comes under having both can be aggressively yeah yeah oh yeah
that's true women can also get invested on the road not just not just men when it
when they're driving yeah maybe sometimes they don't realize how fast they're
driving oh the women or the men either one because they're getting those big SUVs and then
it doesn't matter how fast you go because what is going to pull you over yes you oh the big
cars the the the big the big suburbans yeah we got uh well see maybe it's probably the same thing
really over here there are a few of these cars that are like blocks higher up and they're
oh they're quite a bit higher up and they're definitely big cars as well and they're called um
oh there's got a name here I can't I can't think of it now but it's probably the same thing
basically and then I guess in the way it's true and unless you go and crash or something then
then it becomes a problem but fine and good until you crash the car somewhere that's what I'm
trying not to do and I let everybody else go faster around yeah I'm like I'm I'm slowing down
and I'm I just turned 50 over the fast couple months and just don't feel like going fast anymore
well you come old like you're like hey I'm a little man now I'm going to drive really slow
I don't really slow just to speed limit nobody likes it
I remember seeing a documentary on TV a few years ago it was in the maricob's
and it was about metway and there's an old woman who was driving so slow on the note while
or highway yeah yeah we say most of the way he's a highway but yeah so on longer say the
most way I think I understand what I mean right on the most way yeah and she was driving so slow
on the note while highway that the police had to follow her and pull her off yeah not because she
was driving fast but actually because she was driving like maybe five miles but hours of
being stupid on the note way yeah oh I had to do a bit of a set what's normal probably
100 times no we have miles far when you hit your work that has to cook home because
far away there's that there come on far as like 120 which is there no our speeder because
is basically 70 on the note way 70 miles far away it's about right yeah although some people
can go 80 out there or 90 sometimes but yeah 70 is probably about right just get your own quite fast
well you're gonna if you crash with 70 you're gonna you might die anyway so so one other
thing isn't it you crash at 70 miles per hour well you might get a surviving get
quite hurt in the car to end how do you think there's too many cars and stuff look at a road now it's
busy I just it's just people just people don't care it means it can't pollute and stuff too people
just don't care now oh yeah I'll drive around and see you I'll go to my place I'll do whatever oh
cares and then the next person same attitude oh okay so people might have to drive in for work
or the school and that all we'll take you for me to do something that's a bit different but
there's also a lot of joy by just out in the car because we can yeah it's a way of
feel about the motorcycles I think they're out joy riding some of them probably are yeah
yeah that's more dangerous notice what what well yeah if it crashes into a car or something
but with cycles probably more fun as well I'm not not like driver but motorcycle but
I'll be on the back of one saying that oh yeah I know you're gonna do a let's do some
electric cars now but that's like that's a bit behind that should happen more so I think
you can also over drink on water net minor not that likely but
could that could protect you haven't I'm just settling down here
I'm looking for sleep huh just taking it a little easy
good light way you are now that might not yeah it's eight the morning it's it's quite
luck well within reason that's part of maybe a bit cloudy or something but light yeah
still a bit dark here definitely light hailed oh it's a cloudy down there but well not too bad actually
what are you going to do this year up show what are you going to do this year up show
I stepped away oh you didn't hear me now I said yeah you twice okay but I said what are you
going to do this year up show I just keep working I don't know yet I haven't made any plans are you
working what you want doing like electronic technician what was that tech stuff yeah
yeah working on high voltage machines drive spindles okay yeah yeah we'll just pop
down let mine that has made it you still lie wrapped to be in the wake I think 34 hours
is that I'm not that good I just popped in in the morning so I missed all the the opportunity
is piping before tell you I missed the opportunity piping before well sorry heat is last night
in places so that's as you as you had oh yeah that and I was out so maybe I have to listen back later in
the year you listen to them out doing later in the year yeah yeah it was that was nice
a little bit it was entirely too much like home but that's happened before I've heard this before
from them in another well the whole light the whole idea is that because of my background
I'm a little sensitive sometimes especially when I'm tired literally when all that went on
I kind of told I knew I'd go on for a while so I kind of dealt it really low and then I just
like crash ever about 45 minutes and then Kearin who is in Tengu Jose what's going on with these
guys probably not while you'll never see Joe in here and in technically because Moss is always
out for you kind of rather so has it officially and yes yeah so how is it isn't it yeah and they're officially
bow and now we'll open scams it I think that's about the time I woke up and I noticed my phone
was still in here and then I tried to click on the app and it crashed so I was like oh it's a sign
we set the box 1422 it's history now and that in all well there's well in and I think 2020
free is going to be a better year for many of us I'm not all of us I mean we can die in you know
we've gone after them that was actually not um there should be conferences again for like
first day of Brussels that's a good one for open source I'm looking forward to that in a month
of time high five show as well might be the other thing on England again I'd like to
write and then I'll see America's got conferences to you but I'd be that spit far away from me to go to
with America oh that's for I prefer conferences over there and they're here they're okay here
way way way we've eaten them over here as well I'm well I go over there quick I mean I use
what England's got I can't I've been okay yeah with it you I taught to yes last night as well
and yeah I'm the one of the ones it talked to a bit last night it said you've been to old camp yeah
multiple times yeah yeah yeah but not the sheffield one you claim the signature that's right
that was the other that was the other that was the other American guy then I met in
Treffield yeah now no I had not I think that was that's one of those two 2017 was
Camtbury Gila yeah and 2018 was Sheffield yeah and 2019 was Manchester
no I did Manchester yeah I had missed the two but four not even sure I'm hoping no I'm hoping
I'll be in an old camp 2020 free somewhere really because I think we're looking for new
organisers or something as well the love you're in love yeah yeah there's a love here
um state they meet up please call team I got occasionally or there's um did you get free
no life as well so what I'm sorry have you been to free no life or did you miss that I'm lucky
they have that was in my city Bristol or what I've got one on by but um yeah the love that I've
got is not particularly good either I mean the meaning this is okay and still going but
actually trying to meet people at a pub again being absolutely nightmare this year there's
us to try to get as that at the same time and then there's only about two or three of us
that even way it's like uh some of them are very old in that group as well I know weird art here
I mean it's turned into a political racial thing I'm just I'm a hippie man so I go in and they're
like claiming making these weird because like we only use it because secure and you can help us
cover up things they're like no I gotta go really what hippie like I always has to
have one guy join like tech and coffee here in this any join the community and everything else
and different politics different everything else made all these weird claims like like when I
told them a bunch who was based off of South African word and it's based in England he was like
no it's an Americano is Linux is American I'm like no it's kind of finished when you
get on like yeah yeah yeah yeah well yeah yeah you're right well yeah live it's actually finished when we're
talking about it like we point out the fact that and they think it's like something where you
talk who met in the kernel it's finished like it or not lines 12. I know I don't like it or that
it's what it is and how they like it or not is even no conicals being based in London or
the office there and whatever really you can say it's South African come out of shut all
work for South African. Yeah, so I met him once, Mark Shuttle, where if that was good. Oh,
that's awesome. Yeah, yeah. For them 2016, right? In Brussels, Belgium, yeah. I was there for the
tablet talk. So they were going to be a bunch of tablet, yeah. And there were two talks,
I mean, I was sitting there and there was talk, it was like, okay, yeah, and then some guys
started answering all the questions. So they're speaking, I was speaking there, like sitting there
and being like, hey, like, go, when do you seem to know what he's on about, doesn't he? And then it
clicked with me, because I've seen videos before, it was like, how's back Shuttleworth? Of course.
Oh, my gosh. Mark Shuttleworth? Yeah, of course. Oh, of course, Mark Shuttleworth. And I think
somebody else might have done it. And he went up and met, met, met, met, met Shestalman and then
back as well. You 20, 30 in the end of his talk. But I think what's I've seen in the Met
him before, but it's just Dalman. So yeah, sorry, Mark Shuttleworth. And I was like, oh, Mark Shuttleworth.
I'm not sure if Starman may have been again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's my case all over the
place that we did, didn't yeah. But Mark Shuttleworth, it was like, oh, Mark Shuttleworth, okay.
And I think somebody go up and talk to him maybe. I didn't know why I did. I went up to him.
And I was like, I was like, how are you? Yeah, I, yeah, he shut my hand as well. And I was like, yeah,
I've kind of moved away from underneath some other distro, although I'm very interested in this
phone project and start a tablet and that's kind of weirding me back over on the internet. And I
could have said a bad question, really. But I said to him, I could have said to him, how will you
strip the space station? Yeah. But instead, I said, oh, Bill, I'll shoot a nail line in the past.
Oh, we'll put it every day in mainstream. Oh, because I could have asked him a bad question
to be fair. And he was like, no, probably not. It would be a bit niche. But he did shake my hands
and he said a low and, you know, and it didn't last for a long, but it was, it was very good.
But I text my friend from the lab, and I was like, guess why you slept today?
Mark Shuttleworth. And it was like, yeah, and it was nice. Oh, he's like, oh, I got weird.
Oh, what have you got? Oh, my phones telling me, I need to do something to wake up.
Oh, what, you'll do your wake. Oh, no, it's something I need to add vinegar to my HVA something
easier. Well, so here, because I'm in Florida, they even barely lived during the summer time.
You need HVACs a whole house. That was a conditioner. Yeah, so like, I just had one installed
the literally out of pocket was 10 grand a new one. Well, so you were in January and so about very
whole, yeah. Yeah, so I barely turned it on nowadays, but I mean, I'll turn it on like,
kind of low, so just keep okay. You're supposed to add vinegar to it, especially here in Southern
and all this build up the little spout pouring like a cup of every three months, change filter.
You know, I have things in my calendar. I'm just trying to figure like, what was going off that told
me, I had to do it right now today. I'll be right back. Drop some vinegar and before I forget.
Yeah, now I'm going to smell well. It's not a bad thing. We clean with it. I love it. It's
when you run it through. Yeah, as soon as I do it, I chase your portion. Good morning, Martin. See,
good morning, Martin. See. Sebastian, you there? Someone asked what I was going to be doing this
year. Hopefully in the near future, then to get all of a all laptop and put proxmox on it.
First, I got to figure out my friends, windows issues, everything's heating up and they won't let me
put anything on, but windows on it. Why is that? Well, I want her to get rid of windows, but she's
comfortable with it. Like, now a day. Since I stopped working, I don't need those problems. So
even at friends, I got windows. No, don't do windows. I'm done. I did 30 semi-mini. I understand.
I only want it because her old laptop is the one I'm trying to get a hold of for that proxmox project.
Yeah, when my wife is doing things, I've had, I put a laptop and older laptop with elements.
Use that all the time. I mean, it looked like a Mac. My wife loves her a fedora laptop, too.
See, I only OS that could get past the new bios, as you may just didn't know enough.
I had wanted to put Slack where I'm there on this particular laptop, but didn't work out.
I'm in for my bookie. No, I've got another long count. Yeah, I've got my new machine,
but it will be sometime Tuesday before I get the SSD to put it.
I see a poke just popped in and then out again, just to say happy new year.
I was hoping to talk to them.
Well, I'm back. I was miles away kind of listening. So go, pre-risk, yeah.
I'm still here. Oh, that? Oh, I'm still here. I was going to see if netmider does anything
social like on the mess design. So it would be neat to get on with them.
No, it's not. No, it's not. Wait, wait. No, no, no, you stay as to your own dreamland and you can't help.
Wait, no, you're actually still social at the moment, but I don't know if I have much longer.
Yeah, this was wondering if you did anything like a mess that I'm?
Well, oh, oh. So a master's done is a big hype right now. Well, at least for some of the tech people.
It's like something I don't face, but a master's left it for master's on.
But I remember something called identity dot can. Anybody bring a bell with that?
Hey, Denika. I don't think. Yes. That you used to be really good, but that was like
2008 or something. And then it became status, but what status dot net as well, and then the
FFF type of a living, it all collapsed. And vampire got fought.
Not forked into vampire, it all kind of collapsed. But as it's not open, it's all still time to Twitter.
Very good time. How is it? Have you used it yet? Something else talking about?
Have you used friendika? Uh, don't know. Identity case to be a thing that was good.
Well, friendika is pretty much like Macedon because it's, you know, a Fediverse type.
Like not as many servers. It's not as well you. But friendika, I think was the natural progression of
anything. I don't know. Just guessing. The shame, I even got to meet the Canadian guy who
started identifying in Brussels that caused them all those years. And I was there and I was like,
oh, oh, oh, oh, he's got you doing it. Okay. And I think he had to coat stop it because it was
he was on his own server and had to pay himself. I think it was doing that as well.
Yeah, uh, asked your question. Archer, I have notes, social presence to speak of.
Okay, that's interesting. That minor is not social. Um, so, no, we get the tap trim here and that's
bad. And then the logcast, right? What is it? I don't think I'm a logcast yet.
And I'm never on there. I think really podcast anymore. I, I, I, I, I never really did pop. I mean,
I've been, well, I've been like, some other podcasts, like, that you don't get to whatever. But
I've been on this new year show, but I think really podcasts. And, and I don't really tend to
listen to podcasts either. I did listen some real stuff, uh, not that old one. That was an HBO,
but I don't, they tell the night. But normally I prefer to listen to some nice metal music. Yeah,
something with a bang or some sort of music, you know, and more of an idly synth part.
Plus with a podcast, you have to listen to it in the slow speed for hours, all the joke is you put
on to what to to plus speed or free plus speeder. I can't do to speed. I do about one and a half,
one point it. Yeah, somebody said, something, something like, have clapped to or someone be the
DD manual at two plus speed. May get you through our own voice. Same with videos. Or what
videos is about where sometimes like, oh, that, oh, that, oh, it looked like, well, I don't know.
Yeah, videos drag on. Well, I do public speaking as well. So, so I got, like, I can get my
speed in postmasters. I don't even feel like that. And I tend to get my video of my speed
choose recorded then as well. But then it refers to like, oh, no, I just, I, oh, I look like that
and I spit sound like that. Well, I don't want to make it use that little bit. Lots of people
so they might care in their own voice. I did radio for a while. I hate my shit literally.
And listen to myself. I'm like, ah, no. I know, it's the sense, it looks to people. I like that.
I, I, I guess it sounds okay to other people then. But, oh, they hear it in their
certain way. But when you hear yourself, you're, you're brain, you just, like, oh, no, oh,
I sound like a lot of the editing there is some of the point. God, I sense so
nasally. I sense a horrible. Why do I sense a horrible? Well, my, my unasked opinions you don't
sound horrible to me. All right, but he sounds good in here. I just don't like to listen to my own
voice. No, is there anything you'd like to know, are you, or anything on your mind? I'd like
your interests. So I find it difficult sometimes to be social because of a numerous factors
including the way I'm programmed. Well, that's fine. Your programming is fine. People are people,
and now you have me. I have that deep-ish mode, so I'm going off in my head now.
I told you I was 80's. I said, that'd be. What was that? That was like a hello
mode. That was a Morton, she phone. Yeah, it's a Motorola. That's all I use. In fact, I need to get the new
22. Thinking about the style. I need more. But I need. So I bought the stylist for my goddaughter,
and she's loving it. Yeah, they have a lot more. Yeah, they have a lot more. Yeah, they have a lot more.
Morton, do you come in? Yeah. I'm going to go get headphones.
Get headphones. Right, yeah, real the phone. The LLA. Look at the Google that
what I've been searching you're going to use. But basically, you can have that. I've got this. You
can have it with the Motorola OS, which is based on Android with the privacy stuff. Or you
have a better than that. You can have with UVPort. So basically, UVP did what's up, did a new touch,
you know, doing all on the community. So on what's actually, on what's actually new hardware,
they're developing 22, 22, 22, yeah. And the other one was only like two years ago or something
as well. So, and there's also a robust and a more robust when you're working packed for you,
or whatever. So you know, again, the people who think it is, no, but there's no, no one sells
a bunch of headphones. And that's not true. Get your boat, you can get a boat of phones.
Comes in from Germany. And I got the one we got recently, you know, last few months, I've got
the brother phone, 22, the normal one. And I also got the other one in the more robust thing.
But very nice phones. And the crowd funded. And yeah, you'd be buying off on these
in its companies, these companies actually care about the stuff that we care about. It's set
of buying off, it's set of buying on Motorola, or any of that nonsense. Then it's, the phone
operating system is great. Okay, they might not have the might lack apps, but someone can emulate
the app, sending way, depending on what you're doing, and all you can set up and box or something.
But yeah, how's my down now? Little low, but do you know what hear me talking about the
phone? Motorola. Motorola, Motorola, Motorola, Vola phone, Vola phone, Vola, LLA. It was crowd funded
about two years ago, the first one. And now they've had the Vola phone two, too. There's also a
vote more robust version, the iPhone X. It's called from Hello Well Systems, now the company in Germany.
But basically you can have Vola OS, which is Android, but like one of those more
piracy respecting versions was some changes, you know, or even better than that. You can have
UV ports on there, the event you touch, you know, the UV ports, what they're doing is amazing.
They're that operating system is very nice. Yes, it might haven't, well, the app.
Some people go, we can go and edit my Android apps, where you can get
and box work and all some people set an app to do that to the problem, but you have a
choice between the two, Vola, Vola, Vola, or S or Bunt New Touch, and you can refatch
it yourself or send it back. I've got the, yeah, then the phones themselves are very nice,
the hardware looks nice, it feels nice, and you'd actually be supporting a company,
you care about the sort of stuff that we care about, instead of Motorola, or whatever.
It doesn't really care, they could then care less.
So, Android, and that's, you know, that's how it is. It's Android or iPhone and the mainstream,
and even else, it's not mainstream, but some of these things are great.
Like, you've got a bunch of touch, UV ports, Vola phone, and I'm saying Vola phone,
because that's where you can buy something pre-installed with it as well,
because the old stuff like the MX4 is obviously not really sold,
and you're more the beat here in the lab, but, and all that sale-fisher OS that you can
put on to certain devices from a lot of former Nokia developers and things like that.
Yeah, I've looked at the Bola phone before, you know, they, they shipped that to the US.
Yes, yes, they shipped it to the US now. It's being crowned, originally it was crowned funded,
that's happened, so they released the deal, Vola phone, I couldn't get hold of one of those,
but I got like, not the normal one, but I got the Vola phone X, the other one, the more robust version,
so I do have one there as well, and then they've got the crow front and they campaign for the Vola
phone 2, 2, and you can buy it on the German website, yeah, and how it sent to the US as well,
yes. That's cool. I think it's a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 that I have UB ports on.
Yeah, all right. Oh, Xiaomi, yeah, I think I saw that as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Chinese,
so you know, yeah, it was, it was the pain, it was unmarked and everything. Yeah, I think I read that
that was one of the devices that could support it, but the thing with the Vola phone is obviously
it's pre-installed, you know, they're supporting it, it's, you're getting, you can buy it with
the money you type straight out, pre-installed, yeah, or all the Vola phone, no S, pre-installed
you have to make a choice between the two, but but you can also then re-flash yourself,
if you know what you're doing, anyway, or send it back. But yeah, that's actually pre-installed
as great as an option. One of the guys they used to work with, he has K-Lex OS,
you can call it K-Lex. K-Lex. K-Lex. K-Lex. K-Lex.
K-Lez. It's something else. K-Lex. K-Lex. J-Lex. K-Lex. I mean, K-Lex. K-Lex. F-L-A-U-S. K-Le-S. T-L-E-S. So it's Q-Tra-E-L. K-Le-C-A-C-A.
OK, that's CarlI, K-Lex, K-Le-L-I-O-S. It's the, I mean, it's the Firefox VoX,
for what's left of the TelephoXOS stuff, but if it's something else, tell me something else.
Something else? C-A-L-Y-X-OS. It's an Android system that a, uh, it runs on phones that have specialạo chips in.
so you know everything is secure in the end when you're using it. Oh yeah. Yeah, where is there's a
client? See, he says he says why? Yes. There's a client in model web it's cool, or maybe it's that.
Is it one of those Android more privacy respecting Android based versus as well? Yes it is.
I put it in the chat. Yeah, I don't know there's a few of those. I mean that's what both of our
OS is as well. It's basically Android with the privacy stuff in there. I'm about to touch on the other
house. I mean that's decent operating stuff. I mean people go around but it's based on 16.04 still
and it's like well yeah but but they were going to be based on 22.20.04 and there's only
matte I don't think because it was always behind the desktop like that anyway but I don't think that
matters so much because the actual operating system is great you can get you got your terminal
it's a very desktop like you got Unt8 and things and and the app store is not overloaded that
are in last time I looked I could go through all the apps and just figure out what I wanted
upon with Android and I I know I say fine as well is there's just way too many apps in the app store.
I can't get through 2 million apps and decide which apps I actually was like that you know
background property there's too many apps. There's too many garbage apps that want to
in and date you with ants. Yeah yeah it's gonna say that as well basically and that's exactly
it as well and it's not just 2 million apps it there's a lot of garbage apps or donkaps that give
you address. It's like the sort of phone found that was Android as well. I started even
just a few apps on. So I'm getting an address and well all things pop up and you're like what
why why why do I come from and before you know you're sitting there with address on your phone
yeah whereas with something like when you touch on the other hand or the apps are the native apps
are made by people who love, well yeah not garbage apps but well they might be a few in there
somewhere depending on what you call garbage but let me give you the address and it will be
it makes you good. I refuse to use WhatsApp by the way. Yeah I think use WhatsApp. I refuse to
what use WhatsApp and never actually use WhatsApp. I thought about having it installed possibly
because I have a public speaking group on the committee. Oh wait you're in a WhatsApp group
no I don't want to join it. There's a group for the members too. No I don't want to join the
WhatsApp group and I'm my family you have a vague group but I think WhatsApp no thanks. I've got
Facebook Messenger. Yes Facebook are in WhatsApp now I know that's another point I'm getting that
here but yeah I have do I have Facebook Messenger for those sort of mainstream few people that
I might want to talk to. I've got email. I've got um don't really use IRC that much anymore but
occasionally in my login. I'm not really on mumble but I have for this but um there's just
too many different ways to communicate. It's a bit like when my public speaking groups had to
get online in the pandemic. I was forced to use Zoom. Zoom yeah although although there is no
meeting I remember I said something you can't really see me like Getsy maybe or it was like no
but there's just too many ways to communicate and I'm still like mastered on that people are talking
about yes I could sign up but on the other hand I don't really need that. Yes that's maybe open
source great. Yes to me ways to communicate but but when we want to communicate it should be open
source ideally as well open standard open source but unfortunately a lot of stuff is not that
is popular WhatsApp. Zoom and I know that one of the free software foundation guys Bradley Fini
was definitely refusing to use Zoom where it's Karen Sander on the other hand who something
might know the name bit over here but she gave in a little bit because she of what she was working
there I think as well and even that Bradley guy would have used to go on things and that's
bit of a proprietary I think as well but that's kind of amazing with some of the FFF type
people how they will really put their mold, Netflix first even if they can't do certain things
very common. No somebody must have heard me but um yeah I know the name Karen Sander she had
an additional part. Yeah that's right she's being published about that as well she has some
sorts who got some sort of the heart condition maybe it's bigger that it should be or something
or I'm not sure quite but she didn't publish about it and then she needed the device or
or something to keep her alive basically. Right imagine that there's a set a set problem there as
well because I was happy to give it in here she she oh what I heard is that she needed a
I don't know some sort of device medical device to keep her alive as well but
pop that's one by software and all the software was proprietary software yeah yeah so
I think they heard her and Brad had both part on the path but in the past and in when she touched
I think it was yeah Brad he could make her make her whatever it is um but it's one by
proprietary software and of course Karen would prefer to have an open source or pre-suffware
you know but by the sounds where there was nothing like that such in the medical
medical you know tech like that so she stuck for now with this proprietary software yeah
yeah yeah I believe when she looked into her other the FDA the government agency in the
US doesn't test that they trust the manufacturer to test it and and say that it's secure and
works properly yeah well yeah it's probably called you do and so she stuck you know she doesn't
trust it probably herself for the ebook she's got like no choice well things will change
of a politician a pacemaker or medical device get hacked and by the firm as he's called yeah he
would feel he's refused to use things like zoom from Chris Karen's undergave in has you zoom
for teaching or something it sounded like on virtual post them etc but and Bradley Cove
he made it quite clear that no he's not using zoom as far as proprietary software and he said
that he would even refuse to do speeches online and stuff if they were using zoom you know he
offered to do speeches and yeah well that's what they do they stick to their effects as much as
possible these kind of people which is amazing which is quite amazing even if it means that
that the Wi-Fi doesn't work on some device it could be a webbit is you know because a dry
risk proprietary yeah well the richest salmon does apparently go on websites normally that was
I mean I was a thousand news about a few years ago you were planning that that story yeah
foster it's good should be there like brownie chrome chrome some of the those people should be
there but there's also going to be a security debris it looks like this time so that can be great
to go to again we still here somebody's there yeah yeah yeah we haven't been to foster them
maybe the foster them I have not oh okay you need to get a foster them first if you've been to
on camp and you come over it was you wouldn't it was not the other guy and why did you get mixed up
something that you said you've been to camp yeah all that the other guy somebody else
right well either way if you're going to come over to a conference in Europe I highly recommend
to foster them and it's happening here the bit it this first weekend in peppery again and it's like the biggest open
soul free software conference in Europe it's that I'm actually a victim on it as well and yet people
like Karen's and Bradley Coome come to that as well so I usually go to the southeast Linux in the
Ohio Linux best and I'm in Ohio for that's where I live I've been to the Texas Linux best once
and in Ohio we used to have an electronics hobbyist hacker convention called not a con that I used
to go to but they lost funding and stuff and fell through yeah I would go I would be interested in
going to some of the American ones but problem is obviously it's about the same for you if you're
going to come over here really it's the same problem but the other way around is that you have to
basically pay it over the money on the plane flight probably to begin with and then you have to
sit on that plane for about maybe six seven eight hours once seven hours I'm being the flight flying
over where we shouldn't much fun either and and yeah so the money isn't there somewhere to stay
when you go through just after I yeah I actually just took my second international flight
I'm in Thailand right now but oh some of you said that some of you was in Thailand
or I didn't really understand that either maybe they were talking about you they were probably
talking about me yeah yeah that that makes sense so somebody what some of you can even tell
I'm more oh okay if you're in Thailand yeah if it were you that makes sense then
why you in Thailand so yeah why you in Thailand and I'm visiting my best friend and we're seeing
if we'll probably get there best friend I found somebody online from Thailand
yeah a couple of years ago online yeah and she was a scams or scams and things like
oh yeah yeah when I first got on the internet in 95 I always looked for a pinpounce because I always
loved that when I was a kid I'd have been yeah I did that year like I did that as well like
11 years old sort of thing got the internet and I get I wish I would like one or two free
penpiles yeah we we'd released balloons with our information on it and they made it over to Europe
and most of us got one of those penpiles from Thailand no no I penpiles from Europe when I was a kid
and when I got on the internet in 95 I tried doing finding people around the world but most of the
time I find people close to me that wanted to cheat on their husbands there were none happy
marriages and of course all the scammers and stuff but when her and I started talking
we finally video chatted and she she told me that she didn't want my money she wasn't
gonna send me money and she didn't need a man and her and I told her that was wonderful because I
didn't need a man in my life either and but but I mean I've talked to tons of people on the
internet over the years and it's usually scammers of people who want to get married tomorrow
which is just the bad no I know I yeah I've talked to those people on the internet
years too and it's usually dating so it's a free one really well also it's all full it's just horrible
but you can get you came to get some interesting people and you found and get to know I
you know I anybody really asked them I find I usually stay friends with them for a between
two weeks and two months and then for whatever reason they're gone yeah what are you
that's happened to or are they really something really crazy and I'm gone but yeah she's she's
uh uh we talk every day and uh she's been wonderful um I ended up having some of the
really crazy you said like whoa oh people are you talking to her you were you said to you
it's all they're doing really crazy and then they go what does that mean really how like one time
I talked to somebody in a couple messages and we went we went out and had lunch and watched a
movie and uh uh it when the movie was over she was like uh I really need to know is this going to
end in a marriage or like right that second she needed a decision and I was like uh at this point
absolutely not well I had some meals after that as well it was like well that you pardon
well I had to be laughing there as well that you I didn't I yeah yeah so sometimes I said
some of them when I watched stuff too quickly yeah yeah yeah well all this happens or something yeah yeah
lots of summers lots of uh well and I also tried not to talk to anybody close to me because I don't know
I think it's easier to find out if you are are really compatible in a friend level before
relationship level the further you are away yeah I stay as difficult but why I think you well I was
having this chat with not letting my earlier amongst other things and so this was part of it but
I'm not sure if he's still here now that's just that one he's still here oh you know he's probably
there's maybe really yeah maybe he really is asleep oh yeah he'd be talking about it now after 35
that's six seven hours yeah okay well I'm glad he's asleep I think I think we're dating
when I'm dating sites like hopefully in waste gamma that we were saying but what I'm thinking
while thinking as well is that some people have had with open souls and stuff have got some really
extreme passions and interests or they're kind of really really really into it and some people
be it might be because it was a mass book because I don't know but some people would even pick
during their special thing let's say with open souls whatever it is be it programming some
niche shop school project hardly anybody use it be testing updates quality choice be well
whatever they're doing right but they would pick pet drivers, packaging, packages, weathered
whatever they're in but they would tip that oh and that would be the thing that makes the most
happier life as well and they would tip that over anything else pretty much including finding
love having a partner right although saying that of course there are people with girlfriends and
stuff too that are in this there's a spouses and partners touring bustles for example at
fuzz them where you can their wives and girlfriends go and look around bustles while the men are in
whatever in the conference but I I had some years ago who said to me like oh wait looking for
girlfriend not dating site I said to him one day I'm not doing my I'm looking for someone
I was on dating site and he was like why are you doing that you gave me a he was in a 50
early 50 you gave me a and that a bit of nasty British saying to sort of say like yeah why are
you doing that wasted time that's not doing that was kind of good saying but it's been nasty in
the context he gave it in and I and I and I was doing much and he was like why are you doing
the quality assurance team why you become like a passenger why don't you do this why you do that
and that's what he was doing but he was on employment time he was going to go back into work
that can be self-employed had a plan work in factories in the past you ended up dying of
lung cancer instead but I mean think I mean thinking about that time since I'm doing
doing a speech later on in March or something and I want to talk about some of the
strange passionate stuff I think if I can do it right and I'm thinking like do these people
I was saying and and and then also when he died he didn't just die he decided he knew he
got lung cancer and so he donated two or three or two computers who were quite ensuring
so even in death he still wanted to contribute because that project meant so much for him to see
it was and there was a story suddenly in gloom apparently he fixed a bug
we were going to die as well but they they fixed a bug with their feet apparently
in gloom too before they died about a day or so before they died and I was like if that's
not a streamed passion or whatever stream interest is out for a while what is and also
it's a bit like why do they have that why do they why so many people so passionate but I don't
know but maybe it's think talk was unwashed because some of it I mean I had just checked with
that minor earlier there's plenty of respect for them but well I'm passionate about night using
windows well and mostly apple yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a bit different though that's like
like every nearly everybody uses them that's what we'll say hey I tell you that using windows
there's a couple of us that work that are trying to push together to allow us to have
a red hat on our work stations and all leave if they continue to refuse because our job is
so difficult using windows to manage the Linux but all the restrictions they have on us
well well yeah that's that's a good point with that as well but I love it and I'll just hear
that some of these people as well these are so cool passionate people they will have a nine
five job let's say it could do could be what you're doing whatever and it doesn't matter some sort
of tech job or whatever but then when they come home they'll just go and go hey I'm a home
badly some dinner or whatever I'm going to watch TV or whatever effect many of them will probably
come home and be like you know what I'm home now it's got it's my time okay I'm now going to
contribute to my project my open source project as well on the same day yeah even though they're
not getting paid to contribute it's not even being paid to work through that open source project
but they do it anyway because they think because they think it's that's a good thing to do
or whatever it or whatever the reason there's now the passion and the next day they're probably
doing the same thing again some of these people and it's quite amazing really and some of the
projects as well are a bit niche it's a bit like or or bit like you need some technical acts
like size for this the open SSL project had a bug in 2014 that you may have hadn't probably heard
of actually called shell shock remember that you remember hearing about your shell shock yeah
shell shock yeah I remember hearing this yeah and it sounded like apparently it was a small
little library or project open source about 15 developers or something and some people
was supposed to be checking the code as well but this peach I got put in that will have a bug
in it that they they they they they they they they both both men didn't pick up on the bug they
both didn't realize the bug was there and then they got found that about exploited by
criminals and the type of service 80s to update but what made it interesting as well it was like
open SSL saw that only about 15 developers or whatever it was not that many developers of
their company but yet such an important project suddenly turns out for encryption on on the
internet of many when you do transactions bank transactions and things and and then and then
Apple and Microsoft and Google and so on and found that out as well and I believe what happened
was they were like sort of her old ear and we're using this or some of us are we just sort of
this out we just work on this together let's get together when then these bugs pop up we will put
money into it we will fix it we will use our people we will sort this out quicker in the future
and I think it's amazing that that happened as well for example everybody was so locked into it
everybody was using it but nobody was nobody was helping in anyway yeah but yeah and it was
maintained by me volunteers apparently no paid developers yeah no with a day job work on openness
so which is actually what makes it quite interesting as well and then and then visit
there's an idea that the open source stuff is like it is a hobby or or a pastime and not a
profession and it's like I would ask Joe Reese this briefly last night and I said he's a professional
podcast though you know but so on but his response was yeah he saw sell it as well it's a bit
mixed here and it's like it's open source just the waste of time and a hobby or is it something
that matters and maybe if it's a gaming project okay it's a hobby it's web but when it comes to
something like open SSL even the Linux kernel I mean our paid developers that now I believe but some
of those you know certain projects surely it's not surely even if you're not getting paid surely
it's something worth doing and being involved with even if even if depending on the project a little
bit as well it's not just done fun is it and people think work on Linux distributions as well
okay we don't need as many Linux distributions as fragmentation that's that's what people have said
years ago but but those are real projects and they need quality sure it's testing and all that
as well and and you can you can the date probably which projects are waste of time and shouldn't
really exist and gamble or open source in which ones should exist but and which ones are more
important than others but but surely it's more than just the hobby and even and sometimes even
if people are doing things that are hobby or they're doing it in the past time out of fun
or because they think it's good to do it and not get paid but sometimes actually that's probably
better than a paid job even because a paid job is just to make money really into things but
that certain things should probably pay really that don't pay like when it comes to open source
plenty of examples don't I mean you know what I did because I'm I'm faced with doing a
speech later on about now I'm doing I'm doing a I do public speaking and a toast
bastons cause clubs all around the world I'm in 44 countries and my next one is going to
be about rock and metal music it's another place for doing some nonsense for body language or something
of part of the project as well but then the next one it says something like talk about
the difference between non between professional and interpersonal communication style and
or don't talk about the project and I was just thinking like well really the next
speech I want to do after that it distemms the extreme plan I'm called it stem yeah
science tech engineering mathematics yeah every other example stem yeah science
yeah yeah you've had your toast masters as well right yeah so stem science tech
engineering mathematics so I bet that you can know my friend said to me you face a computer
you can debate the part um art into it now scream science tech um no the reading and uh
well no no no you see yeah steam is next on the science tech engineering art
mathematical artistic expression presentation not being born heads and they're quite
and then it's something into that you can call it you can even call it stream if you want
now and add reading and writing yeah where it's like really something we call speech
the stem steams stream people basically but it says I'm certainly talking about
communication style hobbyiest and personal now which caught me a bit first because I was thinking
like am I a profession I was like no because because I've got um OCD and I've been
disability you stuff a bit I'm not I'm not actually working currently that does but
I'll just say that right I may have worked the fall but whether right or may have not
worked at all but that's not really the point I'm getting that quite but when I first read
that the description I thought oh geez they want me to talk about being professional
and and how I communicate and how I how I talk otherwise and then they got me a bit but
I think I think that's just part of that but there is a difference from how you talk
anyway if you talk on here I mean netmine has said earlier how he's done to adapt
how he will talk in different situations they with you said yes some yeah and things like that
you talk differently if we get for a tech with a little hint of tech people be it in the
conference or be it on here the podcast whatever we talk like the way we do if you're
if you're talking to your doctor or something you're going to talk in a different way and if you
talk to your girlfriend in Thailand you're going to be speaking in a different way again my
respect but I would say what I would give them is a speech about about stem and some of the
episodes stuff I guess and how that people have streamed passion and interest but it doesn't
but it's rude it's a good thing it's they didn't know what they're talking about they
like something they matter yes you're not being paid but what you're doing is amazing anyway
it'd be like the UV port project which I mentioned that's all volunteer base now and it's
amazing what they're doing and you said you had to toast faster before as well is that right
yeah yeah I've worked with several people that are members you have that's interesting I think
I think toast master the fun with toast masters as well is that in some ways is that that they
there's the country well most people I'm the exception in some ways really I mean I mean I mean
it's aimed at kind of like business sea type people they're going to send in their business
or or they're going to send in their university maybe or or
not just that not to not only that it's basically okay if everyone really but
I think sometimes they'd cater too much on the kind of business side I'm the exception
most my life type not worked actually maybe all of my life because because of
disability yeah OCD obsessive compulsive of course that's the thing that causes most problems
in my life especially with time keeping yeah because the world's very much about
it being somewhere on time yeah and if you're if you're late it causes problems you
real well for lots of things about it'll be constantly late it's not just that there's the
other stuff where it's the intrusive full stuff a bit so it's a few of it is hand washing and
yes hand washing but it's not just checking and washing it's quite a quite complicated thing
then think that with I'm going to say mild asparagus or autism could have never got that
as well a bit old diagnosis age routine you see it's a bit it'll come to be a complicated
but and I'm I'm thinking I'm the exception of toast masters in a way but even I'm also
I'm also a vice president membership at the moment I'm supposed to be trying to get people into
my club you members but that's an under committee I've got one of the roles but it's a good
way to sort of practice speaking public speak lunch do it get your feedback even Richard
Stalman that in toast masters I read originally and he started going all right way around
the world during his speeches about wasting his free software and then I've got to do something
about mentoring and I'll think in a little part of my work in this place that didn't happen
and whatever and I'll really mention me but I've taught people things online as well and
etc but I think the steam thing is interesting and one wondering one freaking as well is there a
link between steam and it's not just steam but it does seem that a lot of the inventor and scientists
and programmers and and all this have got got at least some aspect rates they got either got
autism asparagus diagnosed or they have just a few of the traits and it's not diagnosed
but thus seem that there is a link between and maybe just stream passion thing as well
is also linked to asparagus because most people don't have that they they they they're not
really just stream the passion about anything like that I think but we're all a bit we're
maybe all a bit different we're the stem people see we're not we're not average Joe and Jane
our way where the stuff people have Joe I mean do you know what I mean for you say so someone
was saying to me what I can laugh in that oh I said I said I do want in a group did you see what I'm
saying yeah and also if you think asparagus not with them is a bad thing and it's like well
there's a whole spectrum and yes to our people with learning difficult he's in things as well
and they look a bit bit different old and staff at times but that everyone is different but they
do you say the asparagus is usually the more clever people the more higher up clever clever people
and someone says like if you do a science degree and say high end physics or something like
that PhD and say physics you're probably me if you ask me if you ask those people or definitely
how you know you've got really complicated science yeah yeah and tech tech there's more logical
I guess tech is generally you've got one way in that set for a lot of stuff it or it doesn't work
or it's about if it's a program or you know it's there isn't yeah it's quite straightforward
when you understand certain things yes same with like partitioning a Linux this way you you have to
partition it in a certain way or it won't work yep that's true but I think there's
background stuff like that as well so I was gonna like a little bit older now when they're kind of
I want to kind of I don't know mild diametrically I guess sounds sounds a bit sad to say in
that but it's true isn't it and it would be probably good to try and do something but it's
still really young we've had but you know things can happen I guess I guess we got like
well they did something and that otherwise was otherwise life so that I was the what was
what if I really achieved my life though or not I mean I do that's one of the reasons why I'm
in Thailand I just went through a year and a half a cancer oh happy yeah I did a stage
very cool on cancer wow yeah yeah yeah I hope so yeah now I have to say too well I want to talk about them because
because you feel like I'm gonna get love now then well we've been talking before I was diagnosed
and uh uh did she didn't bite by invited me to come over and in visit we had plans to go to
Cambodia to see engorewatt the ancient Buddhist temple civilization that was lost they read
discovered it in the 1990s I think they ate these early nine but uh she kept getting upset but
I hadn't committed to coming and it was because I was having issues with my health that I wasn't
telling her out and uh then I got diagnosed with cancer stage stage three uh call her up a
hour and well yeah yeah well yeah that's basically it isn't it it's like well yeah we
didn't know where I'm gonna die it's actually they were all what if I all over could you just be
health going down so badly or something happened and then then you can't and then you can't go
and do whatever something so uh I think a lot of people think I'll live for ages especially if
you're young but on the other hand I mean I mean people can get shot some as it can be the wrong
place and get shot and things can happen yeah yeah I'm sure my be yeah I've seen I've been close
to situations that are just random and crazy yeah yeah yeah I think my health is most
okay but it's not perfect either and I know that for well I know there you know nothing
pomade you're probably but but it makes you think about like yeah I'm getting older as well
and I mean I hope I'm not dead in 10 years time or when really bad health or something
but you know you don't really know what's gonna happen here now you don't and my my my
treatments and stuff were really aggressive uh and I think everybody was really surprised
in the medical uh in oncology uh that I did so well one they were surprised that my
treatments were so aggressive and two they were surprised that I was doing so well but I was like
yeah this isn't this isn't what's gonna do me in it'll be something else yeah no I know I know
I know it guy from my group also uh you know whoever had cancer but um he's fixing something similar
or whatever but he's he's over it my heart seems that was like years ago yeah I just uh got the
my last surgery was in September I think I'll get September um and I just got the go ahead
the beginning of December to get uh travel vaccines and uh to travel so as soon as that happened
I scheduled an appointment for my vaccines got my vaccines scheduled my airline tickets and left
yeah yeah well far enough it's kind of kind of crazy uh because it's uh I'm not comfortable
a traveling or going to new places and stuff it's a big deal for me uh I went to Linux
conferences for years before I made any connections with people because uh uh I don't know just just
too shy to introverted um and Clattie was actually the first one that I was uh talking to I think
that the Southeast Linux best I'd I'd met him uh at one or two conferences every year for like
three years and he didn't remember who I was yeah we were talking to each other on the long
this time machine yeah uh but but we were talking we were talking about sequel light because uh
Richard HIP who uh created sequel light was at the Southeast Linux best and uh uh uh we were talking
back and forth and and uh I I got to the point where I was talking past his knowledge level
I think he was like wait what's your name again? Some people have bad face or weapon as well
I don't know if it's linked to autism, masquerade look could be or weather because
so I know I have it at times as well and it's like it's like it's like uh I was that um
but as now as a guy it came to my luck years ago I talked to him it really boxed me twice and
he remembered me and I'm and it was like I didn't think much about years ago but then I went
to conferences and he'd seen me and he'd seen me at um the thing in England and he'd seen me
at picking Brussels he's one or something or a web app and then and then I'll say back in
near my in my city when the other thing was on and then he was like oh hello to me and I'm like
what that first I was like I think he was like what I don't know I don't recognise him at all
like I uh and then he kind of told me who he was reminds me and I was like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah we yeah I'm a year's good mate um I also want some right-foot one people back from Liverpool
to the U toe tell and I said I get back with the other one that far away but I wasn't sure
and I followed the one people got wrong people and I don't wish them same work but I'd
come with action well how you get a taxi for me or something like that I wasn't very far away
but um but yeah generally people remember me as well be that be that in person or possibly online
sometimes well they remember me yeah but I think I don't always remember them that's for sure
and I'm face-al-backed question okay if I've seen somebody I mean I was out I was out I'm
the walk um 2018 around here sort of there's a nice walk a bit of a card journey
way let's say but I was walking around there with someone and some woman said a
loathe and I was like something and I was like what? Truth is I hey you in the competition in
the Toastmasters weren't you for like um table topics called as me I was like yeah years
going the other club sure and I was like and I thought how was how she remembered me but she
remembers me seeing me in the competition I guess when she came along and so she's only really
even though once but even then for some reason yeah facial recognition stuff maybe voice is to
extend as well but that's a bit different so you know it's very much about faces really
isn't it that's how we recognize people get me speaking you see somebody again oh yeah I
see you need before but we can't say in that we can't remember every single person we've met
either and what was what was a bit weird as well as I was going down to the wall in my
city down here the other year because I was at the bus very a bit late at my local bus stop just
out there and some guys suddenly started talking to me I was past you know what you're like
oh yeah I've been at the other conference and I was like well why did you go to
this conference then but on the specding I really wasn't expecting to meet someone out there
that it's been at once you know when you're a conference I've been at not out there
no you you know you really have a problem when you're looking in mirror and says hey
who is this guy in my mirror that I'm glad the devil has appeared now and that that's the
first thing he says yes the happened to you didn't let rebel oh yeah I think this old guy in the mirror
oh gee he's got even more grey hair that I think from that sign and a grey beard so happened to you
I don't I do this I do this yellow face to laugh um mine me or someone else yeah yeah you yeah
yeah yeah yeah I read an article one time about like disconnecting with people
when when too many people are in the same area like cities and stuff that below a certain
number of people there's more a piece and harmony and stuff and it's supposed to be related to
try tribalism and how we can only recognize and keep associated in our minds around 200
yeah is that well that's kind of a different point but but yeah I find this as well that
I mean I'm in a place I live in a place that is generally speaking quite busy in the day
lots of cars going through as because the actual city is like that as well but um you know lots of
cars going through there there's called there's a college what the same in Britain there's the
USA but yeah big your college is the educational place down the road there's a university down
the other side campus there's lots of there's lots and lots of people around but
obviously when you go out there the other thing is people don't say hello or what or where do you
say hello you just basically walk past people for the most part and let's get some the way really
if you see somebody you just definitely walk past no one says hello it's like it's not like
the symptoms for example the car team you know where everybody knew everybody yeah well so part
to that conversation um where I live in Kentucky everybody says hi it doesn't matter if you've
never met this person in your life okay how's it going and that's literally like that's all you
ever say but yeah I've I've lived in places like upstate New York nobody ever said a word and
I'm the weirdo going down the street hey how are you doing you know this yeah
waving at you when you're just like gonna be like I swear I don't know you get away from me you know
yeah i'm like that i like that and then it's and then what part as well is what people
found you know somebody found someone online or they moved somewhere else and then and then some some
part of the person moved as well then this really found each other online and it was like hey we used
to learn the same place basically before but we didn't even know each other so we meet here instead
just like well yeah i'll have i'll have customers come in i'll work at a local cell phone to you
and uh i'll have people come in you're that guy that said hi to me and like croaker one time i'm
like probably about 30 times yeah but i don't remember like it honestly like earlier you guys
were saying 200 people is what most people keep in their minds i'm like i'm lucky if it's 20
like i don't remember anybody i think and i'll tell my customers i'm like it's nothing against
it's not that i don't want to remember you it's just a usually deal with on average
40 people a day yeah i don't understand how teachers do it other than they have the person you know
they have the kids every single day yeah i think i think about it yeah well that thing
you should have a list of names in front of them to help out yeah that helps too i don't get
that luxury i have to sit there and go what's your name again you know and i i tell them i'm like
you i'm wearing a name badge you're not i promise you it could be a year from now unless you
come in like once a week which i do have a couple of customers who i'm like hey you know bill
how's it going now are the kids you know there's a few people that have come in so often that i
remember them but it's very rare and there's a few that i don't even have to ask them their phone
number i just punch it in while they're pulling into the parking lot what do you work uh i work
for a team mobile okay i think i think i think what happens as well is that to me remember
you have to also do have something that well something that makes you stand out something weird
maybe you're maybe not what i was weird but something you know something that kind of makes you
stand out in their mind and they think oh yeah i remember that person yeah i'm glad oh yeah that's
one that makes you check crazy and believes in every single way i know i think you better
about any transparency yeah yeah so you're going around saying hello in the
place when that one says the name is probably enough to do it because i think it's crazy yeah
yeah exactly yeah this one i can't tell you what i mean
Dave Brocky will be remembered forever based satis like that as well i want to know
but it's also funny because i can be like so have you heard anything you know interesting like
i use them to find out what the newest conspiracies are like uh Biden has been dead for
three years jfk juniors still alive and running commentary uh well i can't remember
there's so many of them that i'm just like oh okay cool what i found what i found as well is this
right when you're out in the bout and these kind of places now i'm saying people don't say
hello people generally ignore you but are i set to this so for example i went up to my
it's only up to a road here we've got something called Greg's in Britain say it's well go check
go try it if you ever come over here it's basically a bakery type chain but it's all over the
one most of the country and you can have you little sausage bowl you know veggie vegan stuff
and that and and you can get that you get you're very quick going there to get something
come out with it but i have a paper john next door it's closed currently you might have
a pump we've got paper johns over there before um i was a domino so i did that but i remember on one
particular afternoon i was it was really nice weather i walked down slightly back 15 minutes walk
so i had fun and i i i i thought right i'm going to buy the Greg and i'm going to eat it
outside of Greg's by by the Greg's actually like pretend to do but but i wasn't i was not in
the rush to go home when you're thinking it was like coming up the fire clock the bow is quite busy
but the paper johns was there and what was interesting is this guy came out of the paper john
to deliver a pizza somewhere on his bike was car or whatever and i i i i i've eaten my Greg's
been there about half an hour i started looking at my phone whatever i'm still there and about
now we're late so i'm still there right so he came back and he looked at me and he was a bit like
like like like like so like like like like like like like like like like when i smile my legs like
like like why i'm like why am i still there basically the other thing i reckon i ok if i'm
you're a bachelor something and like no i'm i live nearby why i'm like like just that was
one example but i've just kind of shown if if you did something makes you look a bit
weird or unique or bit like hang on you've not left this area you're still in this damn
area and you haven't moved on it's power later. People start the one they don't
they when they don't really know what's going on yeah. Yeah, Papa John's was actually
started by a Kentucky and so I know Papa John's very well. He's a jerk but he still does
things for Kentucky I guess. Well that comment in the chat said just tell them something.
You're at my side. Yeah, I do it in the shop once as well as where it's come from and eating
properly and I was like should have moved that so tell and again they kind of wonder them.
When you store outside here where you don't let the shop area uh there's a whole way outside
in the service station but yeah so it's sort of sat there and then you're going to get any
away from what are you doing, where you're out there, where you're out there so it's like people just don't
care unless it looks a bit odd that it's de-esceptionism and then it's okay. Yeah you have to say.
Find that happens around here lately. It's people are kind of getting to that point.
It's like oh you're they're all day okay sure whatever. Yeah you have to say
if people ask why you stay here you have to just say hey I'm planning my attack and then they'll
really pay attention to you. So we have this really nice white jacket free to try on um and
may also have a padded room and it's great you get to go and jump against the walls we gave you
great hills get to hug yourself all day long. Point me in that direction. Yeah there's been a few
days where I'm like you know what I'll take that that's fine. Yeah let's go. Yeah the
miss is is a therapist of sorts and from time to time I'm like how much does it cost to go to
Eastern so I can get a vacation and she just gives me this look and I'm like I'm not kidding
like literally what do I have to do? You have been listening to Hacker Public Radio at Hacker Public
Radio does work. Today's show was contributed by a HPR this night like yourself if you ever thought
of recording podcast and click on our contribute link to find out how easy it means.
Hosting for HPR has been kindly provided by an onsthost.com
the internet archive and our synced.net. On the satellite stages today's show is released on our
creative comments. Attribution for.0.0 international license.